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like 125 yeah it's pretty fast give me a chance to change my angle too so if we go slow that should be good okay that sounds good it's great it's going good yeah that's cool yeah it's pretty fast come back here when it's more don't work I there's probably to little faster spe in for oh okay all go so up hey excuse me they're artists from Kansas City Missouri and they are the on that put together the signs out along the highway so we'll visit with them how's that sounding sounds good okay how's your background noise is that tolerable it's tolerable it is you're definitely overpowering it okay good all right get rid of your product you want to do it in dark glasses or light okay is the Tacko T should I jump why don't you take that off um should we just have them kind of talking with each other and trade the microphone back and forth microphone exactly um we want it like here are you going to ask questions I will at least right there maybe a little bit closer like this yeah that's perect really where you have to keep it okay um you got a two shot here or a three right now right now I got a three shot okay um are you rolling I'm rolling okay that's a good thing to do okay we're here with Matt the hamers if I pronounced that right Matt the hamers and K and McCoy They're artists from Kansas City Missouri and we just found one of their art projects out on County Road B I think it is on our way into pter sou tell me a little bit about the project uh if you can talk to me about the inspiration for this particular one well it was a couple months in the making uh and we went through a variety of ideas and spaces um visiting a couple of different reservations um speaking with people about how do they want their voice to be represented ladies and gentlemen and CLK you can blame it on me we got some dancers we got stuck we got a phone call way about 15es down the road told they going be here 130 we're going to have grand entry going to impact 13 dancers people involved give you a little extra time I know a lot of you had a hard time finding this place adult age would call these take off on when I started living here you remember those signs absolutely absolutely what if anything did that have play there's I contact unfortunately I mess up again you must make three one of the ideas of having but we didn't know what they say and um only about 10 days ago in the voes listen to Alan pink and Bobby con I wrote the text came out with and said IDE made anybody with circle Tri there decision of the power must make Grand ENT we're going to put this on hold for another half hour big sh back and for we or thought we work their nature area they have a beautiful new nature area we also about working with the sound Native American languages and it turned out that that is an idea that for us to sit down and tell a story your hisory he would just tell me a story but we learned that for gentem welcome toell so with their history it is questions they don't just tell a story they need to have lead time to with the elders that this would be an appropriate story this one would not and we really didn't have enough we went back to the idea F shave style signs and when we heard I heard Alan speaking I began to understand a lot said there was a a lot of background a lot of deep background going to visit with tribes with the sh with the the Poria gentl you know we've both had a lot of back off a little biters hold on second call about so it couldn't have come minut deep well research and I might not have understood that what Allan and Bobby were saying you know I couldn't have edited it said these are key issues these are crucial if I hadn't had a lot of time to learn from a lot of people that as well have any of uh the people that inspired these seen seen the exhibit yet seen the inst um well John White analou who's officiating here at the pow and was on the crossing border Symposium panel said during the panel that he loved them that he thought they were provocative and very important so that couldn't have made me more great um what else would you like to visit about General thoughts maybe about why you know what we think of it yeah let's maybe talk about some of the text yeah or just I mean I have my own sense of you know we've been talking about our own sense of how people would approach these or what how want appro okay um I'm just going to hand off the microphone to them and let them freelance up a little bit you have to kind of keep it talk the and you got a memorized I take it the 25 signs no we'll probably have to prompt each other no there's the by right well I think in general uh one of the things when we were coming up with this idea that I was thinking about we were thinking about is just the idea of how roadside signs catch people's attention and no matter what you're focused in on while you're driving you can't help but notice a sign and you can't help but react to it subconsciously on some level and so the idea that we put questions out there that are kind of open-ended and make people um think even if it's just for a second think about what that means to them and really you can take the questions either way you can you can talk about them in terms of dominant culture U uh in terms of the United States and the history behind that but you can also talk about in terms of the history of the American Indians and how um it it it takes on both sides so it makes you think about something that maybe you usually don't think about kind of a recontextualization of culture yeah and I also just want to emphasize how um Matt and I have worked together bouncing off of each other during the all the projects we've worked on and um and this project is definitely that same way if we look at the text the first one says celebrate commemorate that was a big question early on in the commemoration of the lisis and Clark my centennial who is celebrating who is commemorating what do those things mean for most American American Indians it was the beginning of the end and it's not a happy time or or something to celebrate so we wanted to bring that up to people that are just coming to this event to people that may not have been in on that discussion but who certainly understand what those words mean the next set who discovered who that's also that's a really interesting question I mean we're on land right now that that was once kapoo land this wasn't just an empty space questions of language is culture language is language culture um those are brought up and as soon as you read that and then you read I think next is who names places and do place names tell stories and then you look up and you see the water tower at page T and you think what does page t mean that's a French name it contains an Indian name it's about a story this place is on a little spit of land between the Mississippi and the Missouri Rivers and it's a place where people portaged their canoes a long time ago Indian tribes early white people you cut off I don't know 22 35 miles if page across here um just thinking about um also things that we've learned about how history is recorded how it's recorded in the landscape how certain um John White anope was talking this morning about Devil's Tower it's a place in the landscape that tells a story that means something it's a it's a way of recording history so we ask in the sign boards um oral Traditions written Traditions how many ways can history be recorded um and and so we want people to start to honor other Traditions other than our own tradition as well as kind of one of the other things that seems to still be a u a factor in today's world is the issue of land land ownership and uh one man's Wilderness is another one's Wilderness is another's backyard and the idea that uh American Indians think of themselves as stewards of the land and land is owned communally it's it's it's not necessarily Theirs to own it's it's uh something that they respect and are reverent toward in terms of nature uh and our concept of land of course is different uh the Jeffersonian grid and the idea that land gets broken down and everybody has their portion so two different perspectives you know which one's more valid than the other are they both valid um if kind of those are some of the questions that we hope people might think about even if it's just for a minute or two yeah that's a good way end okay thank you thank you here with us folks he's going to read these signs us um can I can can I get the microphone so we don't get the um can we can we do this I want to do it without the microphone and the photo is there any way to is this directional or how about sideways and I could have him hold that so I don't have the clip on I can go pretty close you know from here on up we can do it that way I have a question may I tape as well can you uh let's be Clos just start reading just start reading things and we'll move the mic as she needs if you want you can stand with your sign here and you can have the mic there and I'll still get them in the closeup I'm sorry yeah okay celebrate commemorate who discovered whom is one's Wilderness another's backyard what is Wilderness what is civilization is culture language is a language culture who names places do place names tell stories how many ways can history be recorded written Traditions oral Traditions is everything you read true okay let's let's do it again let's slow it down the microphone too cuz you have to hold the mic down okay I have to hold the microphone up it won't work down that far but about a foot way we could probably do it this one do looking at the in between I think right there that should be able to get the money remember the question mark thing yeah slow it down yeah in between yeah you can slow down the pace and more time between signs okay right celebrate that's a question started over okay celebrate celebrate close enough the question celebrate I don't know celebrate commemorate who discovered whom is one's civilization is culture language his language culture who names places who place names tell stories how many ways can history be recorded written Traditions oral Traditions is everything you read true okay um do you want to do one looking at the camera now getting any familiar with little bit you know what we'll do I'll if you lose one I'll just repeat it to you and you just feed it back into the camera okay okay when you're ready why don't you just say them and then you re them and then I'll re cut that out that's fine okay celebrate celebrate commemorate commemorate who who discovered discovered whom whom is one's Wilderness is one's Wilderness another's backyard another's backyard what is what is Wilderness Wilderness what is what is civilization civilization is culture language is culture language is language culture is language culture who names who names places places do place names do place names tell stories tell stories how many ways how many ways can history can history be recorded be recorded written Traditions written Traditions oral Traditions oral Traditions is everything is everything you read you read true true what do you think I think that's good that's a good time and that should work okay are you rolling yes we're rolling okay celebrate celebrate commemorate commemorate who who discovered discovered whom whom is one's Wilderness is one's Wilderness another's backyard another's backyard what is what is Wilderness Wilderness what is what is civilization civilization is culture language is culture language is language culture is language culture who names who names places places do place names do place names tell stories tell stories how many ways how many ways can history can history be recorded be true cool I like those you can start at any okay uh my name is Jeff Olson I'm the public information officer for the lisis and Clark National Historic Trail and this is Clint Brown he's a grov on Indian from Harlem Montana and we've been out in Portage to Su Missoura for the past couple of days for the signature event here and on our way up yesterday we drove by some signs that we we saw on the side of the road and it's an art project Bicentennial art project and the artists are Matt deamer and Karen mcoy both of Kansas City and Missouri I I was just struck by the by the signs and by the by the words on the signs they're things that I've been thinking about in the last four or five years because of the bison and I know that you you know you and I have had conversations about what what kind of a message are we going to work on what kind of a message are we going to try and carry that's not about Lewis and Clark it's not just about science or Discovery or things like that what what what was your first thought when when you saw those signs yesterday when I've seen all the signs along the road there's one that stuck out in particular and it's still in my mind and uh the question was who discovered whom to me I believe that uh that is the thing that we are celebrating as Native Americans or commemorating I I should put it we as Native Americans have been here for years and years and years uh the idea of loose and Clark coming through our homeland is something that I should I think should be discussed more you know we and we've also talked about celebrate commemorate and those two years two those two words and and what do they mean and and words that should they be used but you know you and I have talked about those words before and we' both SLI we both said celebrate but I have a you know I think commemorate is the is the appropriate term but there are still some things to celebrate no matter who you are exactly what is there for the groans or for you and your family to celebrate in this place well I believe the celebration part of of the the Lewis and Clark Trail is that it is our turn as Native Americans to tell our story this time around we as Native Americans will have a chance to tell our story as opposed to what we've all heard or read maybe in the his out of the history book uh which I'm sure the majority of that has been written by non non-native you've probably done whole 15 or 20 programs in the ten many voices so far since the F Centennial began where are people with wanting to know about the American Indian story that's a really good question uh when I first started the uh uh presentations in the 10 of mini voices I had no idea what to expect after the first one I realized that people in the United States who live side by side Native Americans know very very little about it why do you think that's so I believe it's we've all kind of been trained to believe what we have in our history books as elementary students going through school even on the reservations we got a very very small part of the Native American during the ls and Clark trip when in fact if it wasn't for the Native Americans I don't believe the Lan FL trip would have made it as far as it did can you think of a specific instance I know you've read the journals and you've been to a lot of other leou and cl presentations tell me a couple of instances where you think American Indian Health was critical was a could have been a a watershed or a turning point for the exavation well right off the bat as far as the uh Lewis and Clark group that traveled North or traveled West their group was a military group uh I'm sure that turned off a lot of Native Americans that they ran into but one of the plus things that for the Lewis and Clark group itself for the core too was having a female aboard and York to the Native Americans York the color of his skin represented a God to the Native Americans I truly believe that a lot of Native Americans that they encountered or they might not have encountered who watched them travel by on the river let them go because of that female and York I was just going to ask you what does a female and a small child mean on something like that a female and a small child would represent that they weren't a hunting party they weren't a war party the female and a child would represent that these Travelers are traveling as a family what else what else struck Us in this uh struck you in these uh I like this one though is one's will backyard there were two signs um pretty early on in the in the uh installment installation Karen help me installation installation there were two signs that popped into my head pretty quickly when we saw him in that installation out on the highway there one of the signs said is one's Wilderness and the next sign said another's backyard so the the question is is one's Wilderness another's backyard what what does that mean oh that to me means that when the Lou Park Trail when they left West when the cor two left West from here and started into what they thought was a Wilderness when in fact they were traveling into a very very uh lived in land uh the there was a uming amount of people that they never ever seen they simply traveled along the waterways when in fact the land was inhabited by many people is there so so we're talking that uh civilization is civilization and civilization even if another group of people say it's Wilderness how about Wilderness out in the uh in the on the Western Plains was it all civilized land that where people lived or are there were there places or are there places uh in the west that that tribe still consider to be Wilderness yes there is the uh the tribes that were in the area specific specifically in the Northern Plains and Along the Rockies the tribes that lived in that areas were simply hunters and gatherers and they moved about the countryside throughout the year to find the best spots for instance maybe to uh pick berries or hunt meat or find wood for the winner so there was parts of the Wilderness where even the Native Americans basically left alone as soon as the uh The Core 2 came through and the the N or the uh the white people moved West all of those Wilder wildernesses were soon doubled up by people looking for beautiful places to live Beautiful Homes when in fact the Native American people they too believe those as beautiful places but they respected them so much that they would not Venture into them as much as maybe the white people did after the uh 4 two you you talk about the respect that the Indians had for these places that's a that's a word with a lot of different meanings but what what did respect mean in in that instance where there's a place out there that we're respect and we're not going to go there why I guess why about respect that well there could have been several different reasons one of the reasons that uh right off the top of my head would have been it might have been a uh ceremonial grounds there might have been certain certain types of uh uh resources that the Native American people might have gotten from that certain area and they and then would respect that area for what Mother Earth had to offer there uh just besides the idea of ceremonial of burial grounds but there was a lot of things that the Native American people used from Mother Earth and those areas to them were they were they were sacred areas I take it though that sacred doesn't mean that you that they never went there there were there were uses what what uh brief periods of time or how would you describe that sure there would be more than one tribe who would venture to one certain area of the uh uh for instance Wilderness there would be different tribes who would travel all to the same place maybe to get one piece of Pipe Stone and I'm talking several different tribes Waring tribes there might have been certain areas where they would go to get certain shells certain types of clay How would how would Waring tribes deal with going to the same place without Waring on one another or did those things happen the the respect for the resources that Mother Earth had to offer would be put in front of uh all of the Waring uh the Waring thoughts that maybe the uh the Young Warriors would have their their Elders would have taught them to respect no matter who was there that Mother Earth let us use these resources whether there was your Waring tribe there or an Allied tribe they would respect it so much as to let them finish what they were doing and then move in here any other you want to comment on or how many ways can history be recorded okay let's see let's let's go into this uh what did you lead into this uh something else uh was funny was sad was all right um how many ways can history be recorded uh when I first started out here on the uh uh tent of many voices as a presenter one of the things that I was told by the uh the Indian liaison with the National Park Service was to look for misconception within the Lewis and Clark Journal well I sat down and I I come through the journals again and uh within the uh maybe the first three pages of the journals I found several misconceptions um I always asked the idea how many ways can it be recorded how many ways can the Native American people let the non-native crowd know about our way of life I believe this is one of the the the stepping tools right here that with the trail of Ls and Clark that the Native Americans need to use it is our chance to tell them about our history and see myself with the arena director the veteran is going to help us out here that's dinner High w we go all right dancers last call start making your way to the east side of the Arena dancers start making your side yourselves over that east side of the Arena this time start lining up Eagle staff carrier we need you up front cing that stop in there once again registration is now closed registration is now closed getting ready for Grand entry you must make three of three grand entries oh you dancers start making your way over there start lining up get a high sign from my Arena director that c Dr grand inry song coming back over to Milwaukee Bucks flag song out to that Center drum from Memorial song to wach or who back to the milwauke Bucks Victory s back to the Bucks photography okay all right dancers this is it we're going Grand entry at this time everybody I'd like you to please stand up all you participants so respect for these uh Eagle staff and the slag coming in at this time ladies and Gentlemen please remain standing if you are able to until this is over with this is a proper protocol that we do out of respect yeah for the United States flag and our Eagle staff so I tell you to sit down please remain standing you can give me the high sign all right Max you ready Grand entry song Gentlemen remove your hats got an eagle feather on it I'm you on the I know what sing that song now man head lady the royalty bringing in that eagle staff this time Logan men's traditional men's traditional by that is our flag bear and next is our powow princesses our visiting royalty Mar powow and visi royalty is our head man and head lady dancer bringing in the dancers at this time first UPA now traditional dancers stand stand next step is our one grass Dancer by in and out this time our two bustle dancers our men's fancy dance men fancy dancea now it this time is our ladies dancers F dancers or traditional ladies dancers all women's categor no team yet no te Junior women jingle women's fancy boys team boys traditional team boys traditional and straight women's jingle bu jingle and is our Junior categor excuse me FY Shaner very of our ladies coming in fancy Shaw dancers comes in our Junior categor Team categories for young menal dancer young man straight follow directly behind traditional grass dancer danc on by our boys f little boys fancy dancer little girls are R it out this time Girls Doll sha dancers hey if you remain standing ladies and gentlemen we're going to have our flag song this is the same as it's all right to clap too it's the same is a national anthem for Indian people if you a standing at this time send over to the Milwaukee Bucks he hey y all right this time gentlemen you come up here and post those colors for me all right we're going to go to Memorial song please stay ATT at this time Memorial song going to that Center drum un the