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welome hey Walky bucks Victory song dancers go and dancing place heyyyy he right this time we're going to post those colors up caring American flag is PFC William Clark US Army National Guard from oen Missouri Round of Applause ladies and genten next up head man dancer all the way from Tomo Wisconsin Mr Bobby bird Ho Chunk Nation our head lady all the way from maren Illinois representing Kwa Panka and Southern Cheyenne Tanya black Al Moore Round of Applause man keeping everything straight out there and helping me out from uh lame deer Montana Northern Cheyenne Mr Ruben littlehead big round of applause next up is our host Southern drum all the way from Kansas City or Kansas City Missouri Mr Max Neer Red Hawk singers keep things rolling along is our Northern drum all the way from Milwaukee Wisconsin the Young Milwaukee Bucks and our visiting drum all the way from Kansas is Wazi Chachi big round of applause to these guys ladies and gentlemen and I am your announcer I'm going to be keeping things running as smoothly as possible of Northern or poo from St Lis Missouri my name is Mr John White analou all right we're going to go directly into in tribal dancers this time inter tribal going over to wzi Chachi take it away boys where way h oh guys so to go I God w all the great counil here at porage the Sue and touch briefly on some of the issues subsequent to that anyway get started here in just a second okay well William Clark was born in 1770 in uh Virginia in Caroline County right next to Thomas Jefferson his mentor's home county of Al uh albamar County he was the ninth of 10 children there were uh uh no infant mortality in the Clark family which is when you think about it nothing short of miraculous at that point in time so he must to come from prettyy good stock he was uh no stranger to military life he grew up in a military family all five of his older brothers served as officers in the revolution his brother Jonathan was served as a colonel in the Virginia line was decorated by President Washington brother George the Hannibal of the West George Rogers Clark conquered for the us all of the territory west of the Appalachia captured casc Cahokia and marched on vinin uh the heroic march on vinin where caught um the hair buyer nestled snug in his winter quarters never dreamed that anyone would attempt such a feat but old George waited the swamps of Indiana and uh sent General Hamilton off to Virginia and chains in 1784 urged by brother George the Clark family migrated to the Falls of the Ohio and it was there the little William found a perfect setting for what was to lie in store for him growing up on the frontier he could sharpen his skills as a Frontiersman Woodsman a hunter and he became an excellent Marksman but there were a lot of other things to learn out on the frontier aided by their British allies the Native Americans were fiercely opposed to giving up their homelands and their home hunting grounds and by the summer of 1788 troubles between them the migrating settlers the Western movement into the Ohio Valley and the Native Americans erupted in fullscale war the Ohio Valley became known as the Dark and Bloody Grounds Clark joined the the uh militia the Kentucky militia and was serving in the IA at the time of St Clair's terrible defeat the worst defeat in the history of American Military campaigns with the Native Americans with over 900 casualties over 600 men killed and fortunately we're not it's unclear why he was not with Sinclair's forces but fortunately he was not or perhaps I wouldn't be sitting here today telling you about this anyway uh young William became acutely aware Ware of the conflict The Clash of cultures between Western Civilization moving West and the Native Americans wanting to protect their homelands William served at the Battle of Fallen Timbers he led a rifle company there and shortly thereafter after the Treaty of Greenville a young enen joined his Elite rifle company his name was Maryweather Lewis and of course as we all know a a historic friendship was born and it would uh some years later of course lead to the Lewis and Clark expedition I'm going to in the interest of cutting this a little short I have a a knack of going off on a tangent things I like to talk about and I could be here all day if I do during the course of the Lewis and Clark expedition uh at the mouth of the bad River in the summer of' 04 there was a conflict between the tan Sue and the core of Discovery uh we come to know it as the great misunderstanding and during this confrontation captain Clark on one occasion was confronted by Tans Su principal Chief black Buffalo and one of his main Chiefs the partisan after having Council during the day they were preparing to leave Shore and go back to the keelboat on one of the perau and the partisans men did not want to let loose of the bowon and heated words were exchanged and Captain Clark drew his sword and all the men stood ready and it could have gotten real ugly uh if one person made the wrong move it could have erupted into a wh scale battle but fortunately black Buffalo eased the tension took the bowel rope from the soldiers as they were known and handed it back to the Bowman things quieted down the next few days things seemed to go well the Tetons appeared to be friendly and they were hospitable but at the morning kbo prepared to leave things turned a little sour again and once again it was the partisans men who said in so many words that they weren't going to allow the explorers to proceed up the river that they would have to pay more tribute the captains stood fast they were not going to be intimidated they held their ground and Captain Clark went forward and he took the port fire that's the slow burning fuse they used to touch the cannon off he took the port fire from the Canon ear and he stepped alongside inside the cannon and in his journals he says I spoke so as to touch his pride and once again was a situation where the KBT being up against the bank of overhanging Bank of the Missouri the Tetons with B strong weapons drawn having decided advantage over the core of Discovery one wrong move on either side that set things off and the core of Discovery in all probability would have discovered eternity but fortunately once again it was black Buffalo that decided that it wasn't worth Bloodshed and he defused the situation and allowed the explorers to continue on in the post Expedition years you know we tend to think we think of the Lewis and Clark expedition in terms of William Clark uh it's like it's almost like one word Lewis and Clark but actually in I think in the final analysis when we think of William Clark's career in the service of his country which spanned another 30 years after the Expedition till his death in 1838 I think as more and more information becomes available just recently there's two books that hit the streets in the last two weeks Lanny Jones's book and uh Bill Foley both bios on William Clark both with a little different perspective but a lot of uh new insight if you will on his post Expedition career and I think as as we learn more and more about William Clark the Lewis and Clark expedition as as magic and as heroic as it was and as wonderful a story as it is in terms of how it impacted American history and western expansion and in particular how it impacted our dealings with the Native Americans it will stand in the shadow of Clark's post expeditionary career for 30 years he served as the chief Federal Officer on the frontier in 1813 he was appointed Governor uh well he started out in charge of of Indian Affairs and Brigadier General of the militia in 18 13 he was he was appointed governor and served as all three officers in the war of 182 erupted William Clark was much involved in uh the defense of St Louis and the west and the settlers on the Western frontier he knew through his Trade Network his network of of fur Traders uh being himself involved with the formation of the Missouri Fur Company and much involved with the the highways of the time if you will the fur trade links the waterways up the Missouri the Mississippi and the tributaries he had a pretty good handle on what was going on and he knew that the British influence was uh in his mind what was encouraging the Indians to raid the settlers and propose it it presented a risk to St Louis they reached a point where the people in St Louis feared for their lives there was uh a gentleman on the upper Missouri excuse me on the Upper Mississippi Clark's Alter Ego if you will redhaired no less by the name of Robert Dixon who Clark saw as the single bigest cause of the problem in terms of the British influence on the Native Americans and he had a stronghold on uh the socks and the fox and other Native American tribes he was located in the area 500 miles up the up the Mississippi of at pory Shu or Prairie Des Shan excuse me and Clark thought that all things considered that the best tactic would be to raise a militia build some gunboats and send uh armed boats and Men up to Mississippi to try to defuse Mr Dixon and take control of Cy Shu and he did coincidentally when he got there uh Dixon was off somewhere else and there was a skeleton Force there and it there really was no battle at all and they built a fort and assumed that they were taking control well they they made some wrong assumptions because shortly after they got back to St Louis a force of 650 British and their Indian allies arrived back at poru and promptly took it back so Clark once again uh found himself in a difficult position in 18 um was it 1814 when the Treaty of gent was finally signed and pred pred President Madison took over President Madison issues issues orders to his chief officer out on the frontier to meet with the Indians treat with them in the interest of peace and the treaty was the Clark's orders were were to negotiate with the tribes to bring the tribes together and negotiate for peace this was not about uh Indian Removal or uh negotiations for land but rather just to quiet things down on the frontier okay and it's interesting I wanted to share something with you it's interesting that in the in the Missouri Gazette Clark published a proclamation consistent with the president orders in the Missouri cazette Gazette it was printed having been appointed Commissioners with full power to conclude a treaty of peace with those tribes or nations or Indians residing upon the missu and its Waters and where at which the United States at the time of the of the ratification of the late treaty with Great Britain we have concurred to hold treaty at the Village of Port Portage duu on the 6th of July next of which we have notified the Indians and invited them to attend and deriving precaution from a most unjustifiable attack that was made upon a party of Indians in 1812 on their way to the Council of Cahokia to which they had been invited we do most urgently enjoying it on our fellow citizens of the Missouri and Illinois territories to abstain from from any and every act injures to the Indians now invited or that might be calculated to prevent a successful issue to the negotiations okay in other words he's issuing a proclamation telling all the citizens don't mess with the Indians leave them alone they're coming here at our request we're going to try to make p peace okay in the same issue of the Missouri Gazette there is a much much lener article about a recent occurrence with the Missouri Rangers falling under Clark's supervision as Brigadier General of the militia where a group of Native Americans attacked the Rangers and it talks about uh the battle that ensued and men being skilled killed and one man arriving back with a tomahawk in his head and he later died and of course people that read this are going to see this as one more case of Indian atrocities so here we have Clark right in the middle of this this conflict issuing a proclamation telling the citizens that we're going to negotiate for peace and try to uh make peace agreements with the Native Americans while at the same time they're hearing about in more Indian raids and more problems with Indians killing the white Intruders of course these articles always failed to mention that all of these battles occurred on the Indians own home ground okay in this same same time frame the people of s leis were crying for revenge and the Missouri Gazette again published uh an outcry he says let the north as well as the South be Jackson ised and the popular political position if you will was one of Vengeance what we need is not negotiations for peace not treaties what we need is more militia more army more guns and uh get them out way so Clark finds himself in a very complex situation once again I got to get back on on track here as the council at Portage to sue began on the 10th of July a group of Sue ironically including none other than black Buffalo and the partisan Clark's old adversaries from the upper Missouri in o four the same among the Sue were some of the Tetons the same group of Indians that Clark had declared in his journals in '06 the viest misre of the Missouri and that something would have to be done about them or our trade up to Missouri would never be secured well ironically these same Warriors steep forward when they arrived in this area and told the Commissioners that they were not like other Native Americans that took their gifts and their presents in their blankets and hid them away in their tepes and turned their back on the whites they said put something sharp in our hands that we may help ourselves and by so doing help you so it seems that this is another testimonial to the fact that Lewis and Clark failed ethnology one 1 and greatly misjudged the Tian suo the treaty here the council and the treaty signed here at porage to Su became a a pivotal Point not only for William Clark and his career but for Western uh expansion in in general even though the treaties here were signed in the interest of peace and it wasn't about uh land removal giving away their Native American lands it's it set a precedence it set it's it set a procedure if you will for future negotiations and the treaties that would follow would be for the most part dramatically different and William Clark found himself uh the old proverbial uh between a rock and a hard spot he he realized that uh this this tidal wave of Western Migration was coming down the Ohio Valley people were spilling across the Mississippi by the thousands the population of the Missouri of the Missouri territories went from uh in the course from 18 14 to 1820 from 25,000 people and scattered around the entire territory to 65,000 people and William Clark recognized being acutely aware of what have transpired in the Ohio Valley he recognized that there was really only two alternatives for the Native Americans you can sugarcoat it you can try and spin it one way or another you can look at it from a 2004 perspective and talk about what should have could have but if we stand in his shoes back in 1815 and for the rest of his career and think in terms of what he should have done he really only had two Alternatives the Native Americans only had two Alternatives they could either negotiate for removal and relocation or as the government in their documents I have a number of their original documents and they they like to title them immigration of the Indians well immigration of the Indians meant we're going to negotiate unfair treaties and kick them off their homelands so what was the alternative the alternative was what transpired in the Ohio Valley for the most part and that would be bloody conflicts and perhaps Annihilation and William Clark was Duty bound to make Indian reloc happened and he did he did a very good job of it and one of the reasons perhaps he was so effective at negotiating treaties and uh facilitating Indian relocation because it really served two purposes okay it Ser it served to satisfy the political pressure of the day the Jacksonian beliefs were coming into uh being politically correct if you will and again to to not sugarcoat it it was get the Indians out of the way we don't care what happens to them we don't care where they go we just don't want them killing our settlers stealing our cattle etc etc but for Clark for Clark carrying his Jeffersonian beliefs keeping in mind that he is a product of Virginia Gentry his mentor Thomas Jefferson is on record with his beliefs that the Native Americans and Jefferson very clear about this that the Native Americans were equal to the to the white people in every way they were just lower in The evolutionary process they had not been afforded the opportunity to escalate to the point where the white people were but yet Jefferson made it very clear that he felt they had all the potential to do so they just needed to be given the opportunity and Jefferson along with William Clark saw that opportunity in the form of the factory system and a simulation that is to set up a chain of trading poster factories as they called as they were called would wean the Indians from the Native from the their dependence on the British and the trader the um British Traders fur Traders coming down from Canada and give them everything they needed make the things they needed and wanted more readily available from the US of a so that they would align themselves with the us and not with the British and at at the same time it would facilitate their ultimate ass simulation into Jefferson's agrarian society for men like Jefferson and William Clark they didn't think in terms of of will the Indians be assimilated it was the it was the only way they knew how to think it was only a case of when would they be assimilated not if but when so when we when we look at at William Clark's career and we look at how effective he was at negotiating Indian Indian Removal we also need to be reminded that he he was an advocate of the factory system which about Midway through his career fell out of favor because it was contradictory to other American ideas like free enterprise and instead of the US factories getting all the opportunities with the Native Americans the free Traders would like to have those opportunities things haven't changed was a lot of a lot about money but in any case Clark never changed in terms of those kind of beliefs and he became very frustrated over his situation in in 1825 he wrote a letter to his old friend Thomas Jefferson and rather than paraphrase it I'd like to I'd like to share what he wrote and I'll read in part in my present situation of superintendent of Indian Affairs it would afford me pleasure to be enabl to the condition of these unfortunate people placed under my charge knowing as I do their wretchedness and their rapid decline it is to be lamented that the deplorable situation of the Indians do not receive more of the human feelings nation and yesterday the stone the historic marker that we unveiled at the 100-year rededication of Clark's Memorial on one side of that stone is engraved it is to be lamented that the deplorable situation of the Indians does nation I think for William the the conflict the contradictions that he had to deal with must have been ex extremely frustrating and of course as history records uh unfortunately it would be many many decades in fact things probably got much worse before they got better um in fact they definitely got worse before they got better and we still have a long ways to go and as a memory member of the discovery Expedition few of my brothers are here today uh we we have a charter we have a charter that we often discuss and we make sure that new members recognize how we feel and in no uncertain terms what our message is that we intend to carry up the Missouri and across the country for the bicentennial and that message is that it's way past time to hear the rest of the story it's time to go forward with open minds and Open Hearts and encourage the Native Americans to tell not only their side of the Lewis and Clark Story which we're very excited about and interested in hearing but it goes way way beyond that you know the the the bicentennial celebration can serve as a catalyst to he not only their side of the Lewis and Clark expedition but their side of a very dark chapter in our American history the period from the post Expedition days through most of the 19th century and having said that I don't want to cast gloom and doom over what's coming but I see that rather as a ray of sunshine the Gloom and is already there we just for the most part generally don't like to talk about it especially in our educational system but the ray of sunshine is that the dialogue starts the healing process and if we start to talk about it and if we can talk openly about the bad side of our American history okay that dialogue and that healing process is going to bring us closer together and events just like this and many other events over the course of the next few years you know can help generate a legacy for the bicentennial uh a legacy that says we came closer together as an American family I hope we all can help make that happen I'd like to I would like to suggest that uh I'll be here till the last dog is hung if you have any questions you'd like to discuss anyone wants to serve up something for discussion be it lwis and Clark or the meaning of life or whatever uh we'll try to entertain it thank sir an there are um a number of ancestors here in the St Louis area not too many Clarks with Clark with the name but Clark descendants nonetheless I live in Dearborn Michigan near Detroit my first cousin Charlie lives here Charlie G Clark who is a member of our Corp also shares portraying the role of his ancestor on occasions especially here in St Charles or St Charles area but then the clan is kind of scattered from sea to shining sea at this point anybody got anything they want to kick around or question I would just like to say one thing I didn't get to give Bud a proper welcome but we are very um honored to have him here in por tou he is patony Bud Clark the great great great grandson of the William Clark and he uh called he was excited about us having a powwow here and he was very interested in uh being involved in in Portage and as a resident of Portage T I am Debbie La um we are very very honored to have him here and I'm glad that everybody made it here to uh hear this wonderful talk that he gave today thank you okay so if anybody else has any questions yeah if you have any thoughts share them with us Now's the Time to kick them around sure I think uh I don't know I think that seems to be kind of typical you know you're preoccupied with a lot of other things later in life I maybe it comes with wisdom you start thinking that it's important to learn more about things that are important to your ancestry and you know to hey to our American Heritage and how things came together especially in terms of western expansion where did the par come from the United States frer on a Hunting Expedition and a tour of the West took a shine to Jean bapti number three kind of took him under his wing and encouraged him to come back to Europe with and he did so he went and lived in Europe for a number of years he spoke four languages fluently he must have been a very intelligent guy I have a hard time with one and uh uh led a very colorful life he came back to the United States um served as a uh a guide for a time with wagon trains hunting parties Etc uh went West was in California for a time and in a civil position out there and died on his way to the Montana Goldfield so his story is a very colorful story but I'd like to comment on his uh on his influence on the Lewis and expedition one of the journal Let's uh let's let's use our imagination here for a minute try to it's kind of it's it's kind of a matter of record that the core of Discovery came together as a family I mean they started out as a rat tag bunch of rowdies at Camp du where drinking and fighting was routine and Court Marshal and I mean these weren't West Point grads and alter boys these were a bunch of Frontier routings and Soldiers on the frontier you know that wasn't a promising career you know the the the guy you wanted your daughter to bring home for dinner was not a private in the Army on the Western frontier okay these these were often times guys that were there cuz they were on the run or undesirables in other ways although Lewis and Clark had a I'm sorry having an astute uh well being astute judges of character were were able to sorted out and by the time they headed up to Missouri for the most part they had a pretty tight-knit group but by the time they left Fort Mandan it evolved to more than that not just a tight-knit welld disciplined military group but they were coming together as a family group okay and when we read in the journals about the winter they spent at Fort CLA we know that it was wet and miserable almost all the time they saw the sun 6 days and the months that they were there the fleas were so bad that you could hardly sleep at night and there really wasn't much going on there in a in a positive way in terms terms of Shoring up morale what they were really looking forward to was getting the heck out of there okay and poor elk was about all they had to eat they had literally walked out of all their clothing their clothing made from Skins would rot because of the weather so it wasn't it wasn't a fun place to be now let's think in terms of on your worst day you just got a speeding ticket on the way back from making a charitable donation and just as you pulled away from the curb to get headed home again you had a flat tire and then you turned on the radio and your stock just dropped another 25% and you walk through the door wishing you owned a dog so you could kick it you know and unbeknownst to me to you your grand kids have come to visit and here comes a little 2-year-old or a one-year-old toddling across the kitchen floor and what happens to your miserable day think of what the presence of that mother and child had to mean to the core of Discovery okay think about that littlest Explorer and the role that he played and you can't go to Molton and pick that out of the journals but if you look between the lines it it's there and you can imagine how how that little guy shored up the morale of the men and lifted their spirits and certainly morale and the the the spiritual well-being of the core of Discovery is as much important to the ultimate success of the mission as probably any other single Factor that's something I feel very strongly about personally much is said about husband what influence did he have on you know sharino gets a bad WAP because uh writers have taken uh editorial Liberties to out of context talk about what a buffoon he was at the helm that he almost sunk the pero on more than one occasion and uh on another occasion he's he struck Chicago WEA and out of context they've painted sharbono as you know not such a good guy but I would argue that Syria student of Lewis and Clark recognizes that sharino was there for a reason he was there as an interpreter he was contracted to go with the explorers and serve as an interpreter they also enjoyed his fine cooking okay he wasn't there because of his expertise as a waterman he was probably the worst Waterman on the planet okay and not to not to defend him for striking Sago WEA but to put it in context you need to look at that standing in Clark or Lewis moccasins in 1805 and put it in context you know not that it would ever be a good thing to do but it probably didn't have the same stigma that it has from a 2004 perspective although Clark did chastise him for it that's also in the journal okay you know since we're on this track let me share something with you that again was interwoven into my talk but lessly omitted when when Lewis and Clark left when they left Tucson sharbono and uh Sago WEA and the little guy with the Hada or the mandans as Clark said in his journals Clark was really preoccupied with the order of business of the day keep in mind now these guys they are anxious to get home they are hitting sometimes as much as 70 miles a day down Missouri they were not anxious to spend a whole lot of time at the mandad okay however the captains were were very anxious to have some of the head Chiefs to have representatives from the hadat of the mandam the Rika come down the Missouri and go to was Washington to meet President Jefferson and they finally persuaded Shah uh the big white from the mandans to join them so in the mid in the midst of making arrangements for Shah and his family Clark is preoccupied with all the things that are going on and and the his journal entry for that day notes that he had asked sharbono and Chicago weia to take the little guy with him to St Louis and see that he was educated and that they had declined saying that perhaps after he was weaned they would send him down well two days later on down the river William Clark not the soldier not the Explorer not the courageous leader of the core of Discovery but William Clark the man just as much a human being as any one of us you know is tearing his heart out that family we talked about that evolved a big piece of it has just been torn away from him okay and it's killing him and he's he's he's wishing he would have been more assertive he's wishing he could have persuaded sharino you know to come with him or at least let him take boy so he writes a letter and sends it back up River and when the first uh versions of the journals were published this letter was unknown it was unknown until it was found among what we refer to as the vor's collection where most of the Missouri Historical Society Clark artifacts came from in that same stash of Clark stuff they found a letter and I'll read it to you again I won't paraphrase it I'll read it to you literally in part and he sealed it and made sure that no one but sharino got a hold of you have been a long time it's addressed to sharino you have been a long time with me and have conducted yourself in such a manner as to gain my friendship your woman who accompanied you that long dangerous and fatiguing route to the Pacific Ocean in back deserved a greater reward for her attention and services on that route than we had in our power to give her at the Mand Dan app as to your little son my boy pom fancy you well know my fondness for him and my anxiety to take and raise him as my own child I once more tell you if you will bring your son baptized to me I will educate him and treat him as my own child and he goes on to outline a number of alternatives for sharino he'll set him up in business he'll give him horses if he wants to go visit his relatives in Montreal uh if he wants to set get set up in the fur trade business it'll set him up with say a parole load of goods uh whatever it takes just come and bring boy and he closes the letter wishing you and your family great success s c k s and with anxious expectations of seeing my little dancing boy Baptist I shall remain your friend William Clark clearly William Clark is deeply deeply in love with that little guy okay there is no question about it it is representative of how he felt about his family and how close family ties were and how much they meant to William Clark even in his in his complex and difficult life this in the post Expedition and a further testimonial to that will be found in Jim holberg's book dear brother where you're seeing the personal side of William Clark as opposed to any rights within the constraints of either military protocol or political and government guidelines if you will knowing it's going to be read by whoever I think it's a uh uh Heritage uh that was passed along to his children and through his children it's it's it's a legacy that carried on and again I say that because there are a number of testimonials and family letters we're in later years in fact uh a case in point one I was just reading the other day where it's rather obscure and little known second-born son William Preston Clark in a period in Clark's life that's that's uh rather obscure not a lot known about the last few years of his life when he made his last trip East to visit friends and family and William Preston Clark writes home to his brother George Rogers Clark my great great-grandfather and he says talks about their father's he p is doing much better they call him P always the reference in the family letter sister to P say p's Health oh my goodness it's Clark hello sweetie I didn't know you were coming here you say hi say hi wa wait minute minute minut anyway William Preston writes to brother George and he says PA's health is much improved since we left Louisville and he goes on talking about his health and well-being and then discusses their plans to go on and visit New York and Boston and West Point and a few other points uh the closing of the letter is really neat because it shows that that William Clark uh in his last years had still not lost his sense of humor and not lost his his intimate relationship with his family William Preston closes the letter to the ARA pa pa says you should look out for future times and then he illustrates a riddle and he says figure how did he say it he says figure allegory if you can or understand this allegory if you can and he wrote his father's message in the form of a riddle with little illustrations I showed it to a few guys in Camp the other night cuz I brought it with me and we still haven't figured it out but uh I wish I had it with me you guys could help me but anyway it's um what I'm driving at is there even in William Clark's last years there is that there's that close family bond how old was it he was 68 in that day and age that that was very old yeah that was an elderly gentleman William Clark buried four of his seven children he had he lived with a lot of personal tragedy his Angel Julia died young his second wife Harriet kenerly Radford Clark died on Christmas morning he buried all of his nine siblings yet he always seemed to have the strength and the perseverance to drive on there's there's no indication not to my knowledge at least although he was of course deeply saddened that he spent great lengths of time you know wallowing in misery if you will for lack of a better way of saying but rather that although he had you know it's a matter of record that he had a very strong family bond uh in the face of tremendous personal sadness he was able to drive on I guess it indicative of his strength character anybody have any other thoughts they'd like to entertain no Greg you look like you got something on the tip of your tongue oh no no how is that why don't you stay stand behind behind we would like to have this like you to have this thank you H Discovery Expedition that's it that's a winner a thank you a thank you guys I appreciate that bud hang on to that gu I will I'll put it away than you guys I see you guys around here helping that's cool I really last number is exactly yeah I uh I'll be able to do different uh some of the larger maybe the Signature Events I'll be able to fly in with the park service and be in ATT 10 to many voices and it just kind of depends on my work schedule at home too but uh uh the group